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Technocracy
« on: January 10, 04 05:57:41 PM »
tech·noc·ra·cy    
n. pl. tech·noc·ra·cies
A government or social system controlled by technicians, especially scientists and technical experts.

I've read about this.  It actually sounds similar to Marxism in some ways.  Kind of interesting to read about.
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Re:Technocracy
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 04 05:58:36 PM »
This is from a post on a different board:



The technocratic movement started in the United States after World War I and was based on the belief that the advent of science and technology had made the traditional economic system obsolete. It offered instead a system based on scientific and physical laws and an economic system based on units of “productive energy.” The argument in favor of the technocratic system reached its peak during the Great Depression (1932-33), but its popularity declined considerably during the New Deal.

Technocracy can be described simply as a research and educational organization. It is not based on any form of philosophical concept, religious belief, economic or political theory. With philosophy, religion, economic or political opinion, a person endlessly debates and therefore accomplishes nothing because neither side can be “proven” right, but with scientific facts, on the other hand, there is a correct and an incorrect way.
It is for this reason that Technocracy freely and wholeheartedly challenges anyone to either prove or disprove its findings on a purely logical and scientific basis. If the findings are found in error, the error can be fixed, and problems thus avoided. If the entire research is found to be incorrect, and provably so, then one can stop wasting their time promoting worthless ideas.

When investigating Technocracy, many people come across parts of it and say “Hey, this looks a lot like communism!”, or something similar. It is easy to see why this happens. Most other systems of government are based, at least in part, or in opposition to, some other system. Every one relates to others in some way. Thus people are prone to look at each one in terms of its relationship to others, e.g. “Democracy is the opposite of fascism.”

Technocracy, on the other hand, is so completely different from any other form of administration that this logic cannot be applied to it.

There are two main reasons why Technocracy differs so completely from all these previous forms of government. The first is the fact that all the others were devised as a means to administer a scarcity economy. As such they are all unsuitable for managing an abundance condition, one that is unique upon the North American continent today.

The second is that all other forms use politics and money in their methods of decision making. Up until now this has been seen as inevitable, so it is understandable that most people would think that Technocracy would as well. However, it does away with both these concepts, which are found nowhere in its design. Instead they are replaced with rational methods of control and distribution that are compatible with our existing high technology. Only in this way can we as citizens enjoy the full benefits of this technology with virtually none of its drawbacks, which is a situation that is the reverse from the one we experience today.

While not a common view, many see the word Technocracy referring to a government that is controlled by corporations and other financial institutions. This is understandable, since today, corporations undoubtedly have more power over the affairs of government than ever before in the past. They also are in possession of the highest technology in existence, such as genetic engineering and nuclear power. Based on this, it would seem that we live in such a technocratic society right now, but this is not the case. In a real technocracy, if it were to exist, people would enjoy all the benefits of technology, with economic freedoms undreamt of today. No more would be the waste, duplication, competition, and pollution that occurs in today's society due to the power and economic wars fought by the giant corporations of today. Only a functional society, geared toward providing the highest possible standard of living given available technology, and the widest latitude of choice in its use, would exist in a true technocracy.

If you were to look in any historical book for information about technocracy, the first thing you would notice is that this is rather difficult to do. The current “status-quo” has done an excellent job of keeping this information out of the hands of the public. This is indeed interesting as technocracy was the biggest social movement of the Depression era.

While it may be true that Technocracy's membership levels are not up to what they were prior to World War II, Technocracy is again beginning to see a resurgence of popularity as more and more citizens become aware that the present “system” is becoming increasingly defunct. Growing dissatisfaction with economic instability, wastage of resources, pollution, etc. is forcing people to open their eyes.

Many have asked the following questions: (1) What is/are Technocracy/the Technocrats going to do when they take over? (2) How does Technocracy plan to overthrow the government? Technocracy has no plans to violently overthrow the government. Technocracy is not going to "take over" like so many other political groups.

Technocracy seeks to bring order to the world: a perfect world under its careful guidance. The Technocracy's science holds no room for erroneous Middle Ages magic and superstition or ridiculous ideologies.
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Re:Technocracy
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 04 10:57:56 PM »
Well, it does seem like it would be very efficient. Very, very, very efficient.

Why is my cynical side creating Orwellian scenarios, though?
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Re:Technocracy
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 04 11:27:04 PM »
I think that humans as they exist right now are too greedy and power hungry for this kind of system to work properly.  Just like Marxism.  It sounds good on paper, but with the way society is right now, it wouldn't work very well once implemented.
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Re:Technocracy
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 04 12:50:12 PM »
I like the idea about communism...not the bad way like war and stuff, but what if the government was really here for us. What if you needed a job and the government provided you with one? What if you were homless the government would get you a home? That there would be an equal share of the wealth. No trumps no billionaires just sitting on thier money, but sharing it with everyone that needed it? I think they are doing that in China but they have the army thing to and thats bad.
Hey I'm not saying it wouldn't be great to have a million dollars just for me to play around with, but I would rather there wasn't a guy tring to break into my house looking for food to feed his kids. There is welfair but that isn't working like it did when it started, to many people take advantage of it. I'm just saying what if everyone had what they needed without begging for it, or wokring your ass off at a dead end job? If you wanted to go to school you could just go ask and poof...there ya go.

I might be wrong but like thinking about no homeless, no babies cring for food, no fathers or mothers thrown in jail when they rob a convenient store cuz they have to pay the electic bill or get it shut off.
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Re:Technocracy
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 04 03:55:41 PM »
 ;D..........you know that there is only one way that anything like this can possibly happen....and thats global catastrophy....thou gh watching the news it seems to me that the rest of the world is beginning to realize that we are closer than they ever thought to just such a thing..... ;D

"the extinction of 18 to 35 percent of all species in the next 15 years"
heard on the world news the last few days.......
boy are they being optimistic......
« Last Edit: January 15, 04 03:56:04 PM by running wolf »
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Re:Technocracy
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 04 10:26:55 PM »
While the basic ideas espoused by Marx appear to be an ideal...they don't work.  I toured with the Soviets at the peak of communism and let me tell you, while the people had everything they physically needed, they had no spark.  Why try to do a good job, it won't matter, you won't be recognized in any way, but you will still have food to eat, etc...  The majority lost the will explore ideas and concepts, to improve their lot, to trust even family members and indeed to smile.

It is human nature to try to do better for yourself and your family.  But if trying gets you nowhere, why try?  That is the reason the Russians are in the mess they are in now, because they were forbidden to have work ethic and they forgot how to have faith in each other and in themselves.  I also worked with them after the USSR crumbled and saw the hopelessness in a people who are no longer equipped to deal with life as most humans do.  They were fed and herded like cattle for so long that they forgot how to be humans.
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Re:Technocracy
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 04 07:31:58 PM »
The Soviet Union was a police state.  They failed at creating a true communist nation.


The main difficulty with creating a true communism would be the factor of money.  The nation would have great difficulty becoming self sufficient, which means they would require money so that they could import goods from other countries.

In an ideal communist nation, the people would be given the jobs that they were not only suited for, but enjoyed as well, which would allow them to have some job satisfaction.  The problem with this is that there are still people who would have to do grunt work, i.e. factories, janitorial work, etc.

However, if we had reliable nanotech, most of the less desirable jobs would become obselete, which would mean that people would be able to take the jobs that they really wanted, or possibly not even have to have a job at all.
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Re:Technocracy
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 04 08:50:03 PM »
The only way it would ever work, would be if the 'population' wanted it.  the whole population.  you still need people to deal with the outside world ie trade etc.  as long as you need some sort of beaurocracy, the nature of man being what it is, it just can't work.  Not all mental exercises that play with ideals are workable.  I don't think this one is.

People have a need to have a 'will' to get through life.  They need to have the choice to worship or not as they so desire.  When choice is removed, and that is what communism does, they lose the will.  The history of communism in many countries has proven it to be true.  The only way any of those countries 'functioned' as communist 'states' was by forcing it on the populace.
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 04 02:54:07 PM »
Sounds like a variant of Marxism.



Utopian society will only come about when people don't have to work unless they want to.  This will require a lot of technlogies that don't currently exist.
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